the house of Israel and the house of Judah.
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"If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land." - II Chronicles 7:14 |
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Shalom believers of the One Holy One of Israel,
There are very few things with the beauty of a Rose.
It's virtue comes with it's on protection
To teach us that things of loveliness aren't easily attained
It takes a little effort, skill and ingenuity
To behold the delicacy hidden deep within.
The thorn will prick your finger
To let you know love sometimes hurts; but,
Don't fret and don't despair cause the injury isn't fatal
It's only saying handle with care --
This Precious blossom, My Dear
The Rose, tells a story as it opens out in splendor
It tells a Beloved you miss her/him
And would like to hold them near
But, Most of all It tells us, of the Wonders
In Our CREATOR's Heart
Hold life as you would a Rose
by Beverly
This is an answer to a very interesting post that I recieved. My comments are in maroon to separate them from the post..
Shalom A***,
I received your post in a round about way but, this is very interesting post with new (to me) information. I did not realize that Israel had ever controlled the land all of the way to the River Euphrates.
B### wrote: Shalom S""",
Just received this post thought it might help us to understand who some of the participants in Israel at this time are... especially the sons of Hagar.
B###
> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:19:06 -0700 (PDT)
> From: A***
> Subject: Hagrites and Territory!
> Guys, Bear with me and follow closely. The Torah is full of gleanings. Check out the following...me thinks this WILL have some bearing on soon occurring events. (Saw a little mention of this history in Yair Davidy's book, THE TRIBES, which then piqued my interest). 1. Did you know that from very early on Israel controlled the entire desert area from beyond Jordan to the banks of the Euphrates River in modern day Iraq. Follow me...the tribes on the East Bank of the Jordan were Reuben, Gad and half of Manasseh. 2. A little known and RARELY quoted scripture in 1 Chr. 5 vs. 7-22 speaks about the Reubenites, Gadites and Manassites and their various clans who went to war against the Hagrites in the days of King Saul. I asked myself ....Hagrites???...who were these? Lo and behold we find that these people were the descendants of HAGAR through ISHMAEL..whose were sent by Abraham away to the EAST!! In Gen. 25 vs.12-18 it lists their tribes and location...the desert towards Iraq. 3.
> Well the plot thickens in I Chr. 5 vs. 9-10. The Reubenites attacked the Hagrites in the days of King Saul, defeated them and occupied their land. 4. The history gets even more intriguing...v.18-19 shows that in fact it was the THREE Israelite tribes together that warred against the Hagrites..principally the Hagrite tribes of Jetur, Naphish and Nodab (also referred to in Gen.25 v.15). Why?..because it was YHWH's will (1 Chr. 5 vs.20 & 22)..YHWH had responded to their PRAYERS. 5. In 1 Ch. 5 vs 21 we see that these Israelites then were established in the Hagirite territory for the next several hundred years to the time of Assyria deporting them into exile between 734 and 720 BC. 6. I would like to make and observation here and then further down the post. The Tribes who beat the "Hagarites" were" the Reubenites, the Gadites and the half-tribe of Manasseh." The victors, with YHWH's, help were of the House of Israel not of the House of Judah.
>Note well...look on a map if possible...the Hagirite territory on the East Bank was ALL of today's (a)Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan (b) western Iraq to the Euphrates River (c) small part of northern Saudi Arabia. 7. If it was YHWH's will then, and several prophecies speak to Israelites living across
> the Jordan in future, being territory reclaimed in war (Is. 11:14, Zech. 10:5&10, etc.); it is not farfetched to anticipate that just in case the upcoming ARAB SUMMIT on OCTOBER 21, 2000 results in war against Israel, ...
The people in Jerusalem are not of the House of Israel, they are of the House of Judah. Before you mention it, I am aware that a few Israelites had drifted to the lands of Judah but, not enough for the House of Judah to now be called the House of Israel. The Jews (House of Judah) never owned the west bank and the land to the River Euphrates as it belonged to their brother tribes the House of Israel or Ephraimites as you refer to them in your next sentence. In specific the land now called "The West Bank" NEVER belonged to Judah except perhaps a very narrow strip that was originally belonged to the Tribe of Benjamin that ended at the borders of the Tribe of Dan.
... the resulting defeat of Arab armies will see this land revert to Israelites, particularly if Ephraimites are standing with and PRAYING FOR ISRAEL.
I totally agree that there will come a time when all of the Arab armies will be defeated just prior to the advent of the Davidic Kingdom (which will be both Houses) and I am praying that our common CREATOR will grant repentance to ALL of Israel. It is obvious what Israel has to repent of but you might ask what do the people of Jerusalem have to repent of? They acknowledge YHWH and His Sabbath. Yes, they do acknowledge YHWH and that is the problem, they only acknowledge but they do not worship Him. What do people of the Jewish religion have to repent of? Some of the things are: Obeying what the Rabbis, sages, and oral traditions state, rather than strictly observing what The Holy Hebrew Scriptures state so plainly. Developing a religion that is not sanctioned in the Holy Scriptures putting it between them and the Holy One of Israel. Following the pattern of all the other religions of the world. Desperately clinging to the customs and traditions they brought back from Babylon, such as pagan names for the names of their months. Also the beginning their month on the pagan crescent rather than the full moon of Ps 81:3; resulting in the Feast days that they observe are THEIR Feast days and NOT the Feats of YHWH. Will Judah again have to suffer as a sign for their brother Israel?
A KEY POINT was that this land came to be Israelite when those House of Ephraim people called out to YHWH in 1 Chr. 5 vs. 20!!! You guys following me here??? Also remember that the House of Ephraim's exile will have run its course between approx. 1993 and 2007. (390 years x 7; derived from Lev. 26 vs. 27 & Ezek. 4 vs. 4-5) Please consider this and drop me a line soon...I get the feeling YHWH is trying to open up something here.
Shalom, A***.
IF this is "the end time" and that is a big IF, but IF it is, then I share your opinion that YHWH is about to step into the picture BIG TIME!! If that happens before there is repentance, I am afraid that both Houses will NOT be happy with the initial steps of His plan.
[For more information on that refer to Wake UP Call #05]
May our loving CREATOR grant us repentance and peace,
Charles
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